Now what I'm saying, Max, is that human culture is a sum of its parts, and that those parts do not come from the presently living, because if they did, we would all be born together, die almost straight away, because we would not have mothers to suckle us. Hence, the human and other primates, and certainly other mammals, have decided to adopt a lifestyle, the word is some sort of life plan, whatever, there's probably a proper biological term for it, wherein the generations overlap, and they become a subset of a culture. Now, alas, the cephalopod cannot do that, because to the best of my knowledge, all of them lose all of their learned experience during their short but wonderful lives, at the end of it, when they spawn, lay their eggs, and I think with some species that they actually do, I think it's the mother that does it, secure themselves in a little den with their eggs, and they sit there, and they guard their eggs, and they breathe water over them, and as the eggs mature and get more and more octopus-like inside, the mother gets sicker and sicker, and she dies, having protected her offspring, but yet there is no culture, and I seem to remember having read about an instance in Greece, where some young or some small form of octopus that lived in a little bay somewhere in, well, Greece, where I'm amazed that they observed octopus at all, I thought they spent all of their time eating them, but maybe there was some left over. Anyway, I digress, Max, the octopus, one of them saw another one, I can't remember exactly what it did, apparently it attacked something and ate it, and that octopus saw what it was doing, and it, just a light bulb moment for an octopus, and it went and helped it. An octopus, they're not a stupid creature, Max, not by any means. In fact, I suspect that the brightest of the octopus would probably eclipse the stupidest of the humans. There is an overlap, I would suggest, it's not two sets with no common elements, but anyway, what happened apparently was, after another octopus saw the both of them doing that, they started hunting as a pack, as a pack, completely revolutionary, and various skin divers observed them doing it in this bay in Greece, I think it was, it might have been, might not have been Greece, it might not have even happened, maybe I dreamt it, but apparently that was the story, and they started being most effective in hunting in packs, octopi hunting in packs, and really ripping it to shreds, having a ball, but as was dictated to them by the pattern that life had created for them, they all laid eggs, they all died, all memory was erased, and their children didn't do that at all. Now, if I were able to bioengineer anything, I wouldn't bioengineer people, I don't think they, I think they're, I think they're a little bit dissatisfied with what they've got, they're spoiled brats, I would concentrate on the octopus, what I would do is set it up so as it lived for, I want to say 12 years, that way it would see six generations, they would learn from each other, give them, I reckon, probably till next November, we would have a brother species just as centred as us. Your thoughts Max? Valuable as they always are.